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		<title>By: BevShort (Bev Short)</title>
		<link>http://duckrabbit.info/blog/2010/02/is-a-photojournalism-degree-worth-having/comment-page-1/#comment-36098</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 May 2011 03:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is a doco photography degree worth having? - http://duckrabbit.info/blog/2010/02/is-a-photojournalism-degree-worth-having/ Care 2 coment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is a doco photography degree worth having? &#8211; <a href="http://duckrabbit.info/blog/2010/02/is-a-photojournalism-degree-worth-having/" rel="nofollow">http://duckrabbit.info/blog/2010/02/is-a-photojournalism-degree-worth-having/</a> Care 2 coment?</p>
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		<title>By: duckrabbit</title>
		<link>http://duckrabbit.info/blog/2010/02/is-a-photojournalism-degree-worth-having/comment-page-1/#comment-8904</link>
		<dc:creator>duckrabbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Apr 2010 16:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of great photography and photographers have come out of Newport. There can be no doubt about that.  

As I said before you can question the value of a lot of degrees but if you are going to spend your cash do it on something creative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of great photography and photographers have come out of Newport. There can be no doubt about that.  </p>
<p>As I said before you can question the value of a lot of degrees but if you are going to spend your cash do it on something creative.</p>
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		<title>By: dion</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 22:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am using beth&#039;s laptop but it has saved her email instead of mine so there&#039;s my comment under her name!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am using beth&#8217;s laptop but it has saved her email instead of mine so there&#8217;s my comment under her name!!</p>
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		<title>By: duckrabbit</title>
		<link>http://duckrabbit.info/blog/2010/02/is-a-photojournalism-degree-worth-having/comment-page-1/#comment-8705</link>
		<dc:creator>duckrabbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 16:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;This website has just duplicated the wrong name! &#039;

Bit lost by this?  What do you mean Dion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;This website has just duplicated the wrong name! &#8216;</p>
<p>Bit lost by this?  What do you mean Dion?</p>
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		<title>By: dion</title>
		<link>http://duckrabbit.info/blog/2010/02/is-a-photojournalism-degree-worth-having/comment-page-1/#comment-8700</link>
		<dc:creator>dion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 10:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This website has just duplicated the wrong name! 

Anyways, I most certainly agree that photography courses should be more up to date, on a technical, business and practical level. A lot of courses (including mine at Trent) are overly theorectical so there are a lot of poorly constructed pictures with meaning of a devine intellect. After 3 years of listening to excess wind (where elsewhere I learned more on a week intensive lighting course) I became rather exhausted of all that postmodern verbiage that always has to come with images resembling last night’s reheated pizza with huge dollops of mayo. 

I live in near Newport and having always been told that Newport is The Mysterious Cities of Gold, I was surprised just how remarkably awful the photography was there. Beth is right; it’s full of Martin Parr and Salgado wannabies, too much talk about the idea, and maintains elitist attitudes. The work was too gallery inspired, and let’s fact it, the gallery is a place where friends turn up for Tesco Value wine and pretzels saying the pictures look great.Of course they will say that, who would after all tell their girlfriend that she’s gained weight? 

My advice to any one applying to art school is to research the course first. Most are over subscribed, with tutors either engaged too much in their own practice, or otherwise don&#039;t want to be there. There were a few great tutors, but only a handful. For me I was quite independent and networked with different depts, even different schools. In the end, it’s up to you to get off your butt, and demand what you’re paying for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This website has just duplicated the wrong name! </p>
<p>Anyways, I most certainly agree that photography courses should be more up to date, on a technical, business and practical level. A lot of courses (including mine at Trent) are overly theorectical so there are a lot of poorly constructed pictures with meaning of a devine intellect. After 3 years of listening to excess wind (where elsewhere I learned more on a week intensive lighting course) I became rather exhausted of all that postmodern verbiage that always has to come with images resembling last night’s reheated pizza with huge dollops of mayo. </p>
<p>I live in near Newport and having always been told that Newport is The Mysterious Cities of Gold, I was surprised just how remarkably awful the photography was there. Beth is right; it’s full of Martin Parr and Salgado wannabies, too much talk about the idea, and maintains elitist attitudes. The work was too gallery inspired, and let’s fact it, the gallery is a place where friends turn up for Tesco Value wine and pretzels saying the pictures look great.Of course they will say that, who would after all tell their girlfriend that she’s gained weight? </p>
<p>My advice to any one applying to art school is to research the course first. Most are over subscribed, with tutors either engaged too much in their own practice, or otherwise don&#8217;t want to be there. There were a few great tutors, but only a handful. For me I was quite independent and networked with different depts, even different schools. In the end, it’s up to you to get off your butt, and demand what you’re paying for.</p>
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		<title>By: beth</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 10:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most certainly agree that photography courses should be more up to date, on a technical, business and practical level. A lot of courses (including mine at Trent) are overly theorectical so there are a lot of poorly constructed  pictures with meaning of a devine intellect.  After 3 years of listening to excess wind  (where elsewhere I learned more on a week intensive lighting course) I became rather exhausted of all that  postmodern verbiage that always has to come with images resembling last night&#039;s reheated pizza with huge dollops of mayo. 
 
I live in near Newport and having always been told that Newport is The Mysterious Cities of Gold, I was surprised just how remarkably awful the photography was there.  Beth is right; it&#039;s full of Martin Parr and Salgado wannabies, too much talk about the idea, and  maintains elitist attitudes. The work was too gallery inspired, and let&#039;s fact it, the gallery is a place where friends turn up for Tesco Value wine and pretzels saying  the pictures look great.Of course they will say that, who would after all  tell their girlfriend that she&#039;s gained weight?  

My advice to any one applying to art school is to research the course first. Most are over subscribed, with tutors either engaged too much in their own practice, or otherwise dont want o be there. There were a few great tutors, but only a handful. For me I was quite independent and netowrked with different depts, even different schools. In the end, it&#039;s up to you to get off your butt, and demand what you&#039;re paying for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most certainly agree that photography courses should be more up to date, on a technical, business and practical level. A lot of courses (including mine at Trent) are overly theorectical so there are a lot of poorly constructed  pictures with meaning of a devine intellect.  After 3 years of listening to excess wind  (where elsewhere I learned more on a week intensive lighting course) I became rather exhausted of all that  postmodern verbiage that always has to come with images resembling last night&#8217;s reheated pizza with huge dollops of mayo. </p>
<p>I live in near Newport and having always been told that Newport is The Mysterious Cities of Gold, I was surprised just how remarkably awful the photography was there.  Beth is right; it&#8217;s full of Martin Parr and Salgado wannabies, too much talk about the idea, and  maintains elitist attitudes. The work was too gallery inspired, and let&#8217;s fact it, the gallery is a place where friends turn up for Tesco Value wine and pretzels saying  the pictures look great.Of course they will say that, who would after all  tell their girlfriend that she&#8217;s gained weight?  </p>
<p>My advice to any one applying to art school is to research the course first. Most are over subscribed, with tutors either engaged too much in their own practice, or otherwise dont want o be there. There were a few great tutors, but only a handful. For me I was quite independent and netowrked with different depts, even different schools. In the end, it&#8217;s up to you to get off your butt, and demand what you&#8217;re paying for.</p>
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		<title>By: beth</title>
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		<dc:creator>beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 00:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Newport is crap! every one there wants to be  martin parr. documentary photography has nothing  new to say, just always maintains &#039;middle class&#039; predjudices. yes, anyone can go backpacking to india 4 a week. is that long enough to overcome jet lag or the shits! for groundbreaking Blackpool &amp; Fylde, or Bournemouth. everytime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Newport is crap! every one there wants to be  martin parr. documentary photography has nothing  new to say, just always maintains &#8216;middle class&#8217; predjudices. yes, anyone can go backpacking to india 4 a week. is that long enough to overcome jet lag or the shits! for groundbreaking Blackpool &amp; Fylde, or Bournemouth. everytime.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Zen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Zen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 19:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew, do you really think the right skills to become a photo-journalist can be taught in a week? And there is more to being a photo-journalist than taking photos. I still wouldn&#039;t do the degree though as I do believe that the skill required can only be gained through experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, do you really think the right skills to become a photo-journalist can be taught in a week? And there is more to being a photo-journalist than taking photos. I still wouldn&#8217;t do the degree though as I do believe that the skill required can only be gained through experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Sidlo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Sidlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 19:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Daniel - I agree part of the course should be kept up to date with things like web design or a side part. I suppose the question would be what do you think should be included in a modern PJ degree course if having the option to do plan it?

@JonathanJK - I didn&#039;t expect anything to be spoon fed to me as you put it, but a more emphasis on those things that are important. I agree though the teachers should leave you alone for your own analysis and taking - but when in class it should be relevant. Previous to University I had learnt darkroom technique and didnt need to again in 1st year, yet it was part of the course. Its neccasary in a diploma I believe but not a degree surely?
 
I&#039;m not saying I havn&#039;t got freelance work since coming out..I&#039;ve done a lot like yourself with equipment purchased with the loan - yet approaching companies they ask for online portfolio&#039;s, not silverprint folders and prints that take time &amp; cost money! That, I suppose angered me when I came out.

But coming up with the amount of effort I put in and receiving a third- there are other factors I won&#039;t discuss here and are personal within the last year. I&#039;m not sure which side of photojournalism you specifically want to travel down..which is another question. Which type of photojournalist does it cater for? Media, Pap, NGO, conflict? online journalist..all of them?

I don&#039;t think you can take your own model for money saving and apply it to other people though! We all got the same loan agreed, and each had jobs...but projects, exhibitions, travel and extra costs can fluctuate. Thats my argument. I loved the course but I wished it had focused on the current market. Paul D was superb and a great mentor. How does Newport defferienciate from ours though..what do they teach that we didnt have, or what do we have that they don&#039;t teach?

Out of my class not many are still doing photojournalism. 

I suppose what would everyone have on a degree course that they would choose. Looking at the current climate I&#039;d start with multimedia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Daniel &#8211; I agree part of the course should be kept up to date with things like web design or a side part. I suppose the question would be what do you think should be included in a modern PJ degree course if having the option to do plan it?</p>
<p>@JonathanJK &#8211; I didn&#8217;t expect anything to be spoon fed to me as you put it, but a more emphasis on those things that are important. I agree though the teachers should leave you alone for your own analysis and taking &#8211; but when in class it should be relevant. Previous to University I had learnt darkroom technique and didnt need to again in 1st year, yet it was part of the course. Its neccasary in a diploma I believe but not a degree surely?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying I havn&#8217;t got freelance work since coming out..I&#8217;ve done a lot like yourself with equipment purchased with the loan &#8211; yet approaching companies they ask for online portfolio&#8217;s, not silverprint folders and prints that take time &amp; cost money! That, I suppose angered me when I came out.</p>
<p>But coming up with the amount of effort I put in and receiving a third- there are other factors I won&#8217;t discuss here and are personal within the last year. I&#8217;m not sure which side of photojournalism you specifically want to travel down..which is another question. Which type of photojournalist does it cater for? Media, Pap, NGO, conflict? online journalist..all of them?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think you can take your own model for money saving and apply it to other people though! We all got the same loan agreed, and each had jobs&#8230;but projects, exhibitions, travel and extra costs can fluctuate. Thats my argument. I loved the course but I wished it had focused on the current market. Paul D was superb and a great mentor. How does Newport defferienciate from ours though..what do they teach that we didnt have, or what do we have that they don&#8217;t teach?</p>
<p>Out of my class not many are still doing photojournalism. </p>
<p>I suppose what would everyone have on a degree course that they would choose. Looking at the current climate I&#8217;d start with multimedia.</p>
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		<title>By: ciara</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 19:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anastasia Taylor Lind</description>
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